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Episode #114

International Women’s Day: It’s Complicated

Today is International Women’s Day and we wanted to host a conversation about the day because… it’s complicated! I’m chatting with coach Rocío Caballero-Gill, and we wanted to have a candid thoughtful chat about international Women’s Day, what it means to focus on women specifically in academia, and how this company has changed over the last 5 years with respect to developing our programs through a lens of gender equity and inclusion.


Rocío shares her work developing a professional organization called GeoLatinas and we talk about the difference between including and welcoming.  

Key points discussed:

  • What is appealing about International Women’s Day [2:45]
  • The purpose of International Women’s Day, and the emphasis on Women [6:35]
  • Rocio’s approach at GeoLatinas [8:30]
  • How GeoLatinas came to be [10:00]
  • The difference between welcoming and inclusion [14:30]
  • The different needs of intersecting identities [20:50]
  • A path of reflection [22:30]


Key Quotes:

“One can see the movement forward… but we still are not quite there yet.” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“How do we overcome the struggles that we see internationally come together to be represented on this day?” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“When you think of equity work, you have to involve the ones that are outside of spaces.” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“We think of the role and how we create change with the people outside; how do we involve them?” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“Being welcoming and being inclusive are different things.” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“Having the means to support those people who we are welcoming is inclusion.” – Rocío Caballero-Gill

“How are you going to go about making positive change for your own community… and how are you going to continue to create spaces of inclusion?” – Cathy Mazak


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